So, last night in class we did Violence Against Women.
We watched a film on the Polytechnique Masacre.
Afterwords we talked about it. We talked about how the threat of violence is hanging over our heads all the time, and about being afraid to walk down the street after dark, etc. etc.
We talked about "Is there anything that can be done to keep this kind of stuff from happening?" The response that came up a number of times was "we need to teach our daughters not to fear".
Which is garbage. You can be as confident and as fearless as you want, and that will make you a target to someone (because you need to learn to fear... to "respect"... what-ever man is targetting you for your confidence) just as much as the "please don't notice me" body language of someone who has been hurt again and again (and will, therfore, be targetted because they're easy prey, if nothing else).
Anyway. I responded to this by saying that rather than teaching our daughters not to fear, we could teach our sons not to hurt -- teach them that the kind of entitlement-behaviour that leads to everything from wolf-whistles on the street, to copping a feel, to rape and murder is simply not acceptable. (You've all heard this before, I know).
But I was surprised at how... emotional I was. I was litterally having trouble getting my voice out (I was really hoarse all of a sudden). It's suprising when you're reminded of just how much that behaviour effects (affects?) you. wow.
Anyway. I got home, and Paul and I watched a movie -- "Total Recall". Which is excessively violent on a number of levels... It's an Ah-nold movie, though, so who's surprised... but that didn't help. -- And then I told him about what we'd talked about in class.
I told him about how Polytechnique was just an extreme version (manifestation?) of what we (women) are dealing with every day.
And he got really angry. (Well, really angry for Paul). He thought that by saying that the Polytechnique guy was *not* an isolated incident, but part of a much larger problem, I was saying that he was just like that guy.
"I refuse to have you compare me to that guy. And if you do... We've got an issue."
I understand why people (particularly male people) would want to say "this isn't normal" or "he was a mad-man" or "this was an isolated incident". Because if it's isolated, it means we don't have to deal with the larger problem (because the larger problem 'doesn't exist'). If it was a mad-man, then 'clearly' no sane-man would ever do anything even remotely like that. Normal people couldn't possibly be capable of such appauling things. Such horrible things. To Other this guy, is to say "He's not like me. You know I'd never do something like that".
So it's not that I don't understand the desire to disassociate from someone who goes out and commits a multiple-homicide.
But to disassociate from it so much that you refuse to see how endemic... the intimidation and/or degredation of women is... That isn't going to make the problem go away. It's just going to make you feel less accountable for it...
I think there are still a lot of things I need to talk to him about this stuff. And I'm very worried about how those conversations are going to go.
We watched a film on the Polytechnique Masacre.
Afterwords we talked about it. We talked about how the threat of violence is hanging over our heads all the time, and about being afraid to walk down the street after dark, etc. etc.
We talked about "Is there anything that can be done to keep this kind of stuff from happening?" The response that came up a number of times was "we need to teach our daughters not to fear".
Which is garbage. You can be as confident and as fearless as you want, and that will make you a target to someone (because you need to learn to fear... to "respect"... what-ever man is targetting you for your confidence) just as much as the "please don't notice me" body language of someone who has been hurt again and again (and will, therfore, be targetted because they're easy prey, if nothing else).
Anyway. I responded to this by saying that rather than teaching our daughters not to fear, we could teach our sons not to hurt -- teach them that the kind of entitlement-behaviour that leads to everything from wolf-whistles on the street, to copping a feel, to rape and murder is simply not acceptable. (You've all heard this before, I know).
But I was surprised at how... emotional I was. I was litterally having trouble getting my voice out (I was really hoarse all of a sudden). It's suprising when you're reminded of just how much that behaviour effects (affects?) you. wow.
Anyway. I got home, and Paul and I watched a movie -- "Total Recall". Which is excessively violent on a number of levels... It's an Ah-nold movie, though, so who's surprised... but that didn't help. -- And then I told him about what we'd talked about in class.
I told him about how Polytechnique was just an extreme version (manifestation?) of what we (women) are dealing with every day.
And he got really angry. (Well, really angry for Paul). He thought that by saying that the Polytechnique guy was *not* an isolated incident, but part of a much larger problem, I was saying that he was just like that guy.
"I refuse to have you compare me to that guy. And if you do... We've got an issue."
I understand why people (particularly male people) would want to say "this isn't normal" or "he was a mad-man" or "this was an isolated incident". Because if it's isolated, it means we don't have to deal with the larger problem (because the larger problem 'doesn't exist'). If it was a mad-man, then 'clearly' no sane-man would ever do anything even remotely like that. Normal people couldn't possibly be capable of such appauling things. Such horrible things. To Other this guy, is to say "He's not like me. You know I'd never do something like that".
So it's not that I don't understand the desire to disassociate from someone who goes out and commits a multiple-homicide.
But to disassociate from it so much that you refuse to see how endemic... the intimidation and/or degredation of women is... That isn't going to make the problem go away. It's just going to make you feel less accountable for it...
I think there are still a lot of things I need to talk to him about this stuff. And I'm very worried about how those conversations are going to go.